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those silly doctors that have of those silly doctors that have a doctorate for some nonsense. and the fantastic political commentator lin mei now, you know the drill. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in and it goes downhill faster than a champion skier. and of course we want to know your views as well. please do send them and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com forward slash yoursay. also getting your questions for ask the five no topic is off limits, but before we start tearing each other apart, it's time for your saturday night news with tatiana sanchez. >> darren, thank you very much and good evening. the top stories. yesterday's it outage affected almost 8.5 million microsoft devices. that's according to the tech giant. the company added the figure represents less than i% of all windows machines, but it was

enough to spark chaos at many of the world's airports . flight the world's airports. flight delays are still persisting as airlines and other businesses slowly get back online in time for the summer holidays. banks supermarkets and even major television and radio broadcasters were among the many others who were also knocked off line yesterday, nhs england is expecting disruption to gp surgery services. sorry to continue into next week . in continue into next week. in other news, the yacht has been seized in the english channel carrying a group of migrants trying to cross illegally from france. footage obtained exclusively by gb news shows the 18 foot yacht as it was towed into dover's harbour by the border force. our producer counted 86 migrants disembarking from the force's vessel, and it comes as hundreds of other migrants launch from beaches of northern france in small boats. as the third busy day of illegal crossings this week , police in crossings this week, police in south gloucestershire are appealing for help in the search

for a prisoner who escaped from hmp leyhill yesterday. gary rotham, who's 42 years old, was serving sentences for driving , serving sentences for driving, robbery and burglary offences. he was last seen just before 5:00 yesterday afternoon and was wearing a dark nike polo shirt. dark jogging bottoms and black trainers. police say he should not be approached and they're urging anyone with any information to contact them or crime stoppers . meanwhile, a man crime stoppers. meanwhile, a man who escaped from a west london prison while being treated in hospital has been recaptured. graham gomm , who's 63, had been graham gomm, who's 63, had been on remand for burglary offences at wormwood scrubs but he absconded on thursday after being taken to hammersmith hosphal being taken to hammersmith hospital. he was arrested in south—west london at around 830 this morning in the united states, reports suggest. nancy pelosi has told colleagues she'd prefer a competitive process to find a replacement for president joe biden if he drops out. the

former house speaker is understood to have pushed for an open primary instead of directly nominating vice president kamala harris. that could see several candidates from within the democratic party compete for the chance to face donald trump. with just 107 days until the election, it comes as numbers of democrats calling on president biden to stand aside reaches 35 amid dwindling poll numbers and back home pay increases in the pubuc back home pay increases in the public sector could cost around £10 billion, which is believed to be more than the government had forecast. independent pay review bodies are reportedly set to recommend pay rises of 5.5% for teachers and nhs staff, but schools and hospitals are unlikely to be able to meet the increase with their existing budget without making cuts. it could represent a significant challenge for rachel reeves first budget. after promising to clamp down on borrowing and ruling out a string of tax rises dunng ruling out a string of tax rises during the election campaign ,

during the election campaign, some sports news now six time world snooker champion ray reardon has died at the age of 91. the welshman dominated the sport in the 1970s and was widely regarded as one of the greatest ever snooker players. fellow snooker champion jemmy white has paid tribute to his friend, describing him as a total class act. in other news, highs of 26 or 27 degrees have been forecast for some parts of the uk next week, with the weather to improve for the start of the summer holidays. that's as clouds and cooler weather have returned this weekend after the hottest day of the year so far yesterday. the met office says temperatures reached 31.9 degrees in central london. however, heavy rain and bursts of thunder are forecast for wales and south—west england today. and finally, a blockbuster new film that's just rolled into cinemas looks set to

top the summer box office. >> combining . the faster let's >> combining. the faster let's ride twisters took just shy of 33 million usd in its opening friday, putting it almost on par with last year's big money—maker oppenheimer. >> that's raising hopes of another blockbuster summer, which would be a much needed boost for cinemas. the big budget disaster epic comes 28 years after the original and stars glen powell and britain's daisy edgar—jones . and those are daisy edgar—jones. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> cheers very much. tatiana. it's saturday night, folks , and it's saturday night, folks, and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a very lively couple of hours. stan the man has written in with some advice. he says if the lighting goes off again, put butterworth on. at that time and make sure the sound goes off as well. we'll bear that in mind. thank you. stan. right. we're going to crack on with tonight's first debate. who's going to lead us off.7 i'm going to start. oh, no holding back there. >> no okay. so we've all seen the footage this week of leeds. less talked about in the press has been whitechapel, an area in london where there has been similar rioting. now it's an area with the biggest bangladeshi community in the country , and we have bent over country, and we have bent over backwards as a nation to make the bangladeshis and other immigrants in the area feel so welcome that we now have their schools , stations, street names, schools, stations, street names, often only written in bengali. we've got a market which would

not be out of place in bangladesh, and we've got a whole host of women in the area whole host of women in the area who have been there for 30 years, but don't speak a word of english. so out of touch with british culture, our communities like this , that locals rampaged like this, that locals rampaged this week . they actually this week. they actually protested in sympathy with students in bangladesh who were upset about job quotas. they injured the police. they overturned cars, they damaged cars. now i can't comment on leeds because i don't know it as an area, but this area in london, i do know i grew up in newham, the neighbouring borough, which is also now a ghetto. i worked for six years in the royal london hospital in whitechapel, where we regularly had to do our consults via translators to bangladeshi women who are isolated by their lack of language, and to bangladeshi men in traditional dress who have very little in common with british values. there may be plenty of people of different cultures in london in the rest of the uk, but they are no

longer assimilating. they are living in silos, which become ghettos, and they are completely out of touch with any values that i associate with being british. multiculturalism is not working. well, what do you think, darren? >> no holding back there. look, |, >> no holding back there. look, i, i must say, the past few days have made me genuinely fear for the future prospects of this country, right? i, i fear that the next generation are really going to have to go through the wringer, and i just can't accept that, our politicians shouldn't be met with absolute contempt for what they've done to us, to be perfectly honest. well, i agree, but how do we get people to assimilate? >> alby? renee i just find it extraordinary that someone who comes. >> someone who has mixed race children and comes from a mixed race family, can essentially say multiculturalism has failed. isn't your family proof that

multiculturalism hasn't failed? i'm mixed race. lin mei is mixed race. the mixed race cohort is the fastest growing cohort in this country of ethnic of the different ethnic demographics. so i completely appreciate there are some issues with some communities, but to send an absolutist way , as you basically absolutist way, as you basically have just suggested, multiculturalism has failed is wrong, isn't it? because we're both here. i think that and i think i mentioned this to you before that when we had if we go back 40, 50, 60 years and we had the windrush generation on, i am, as you rightly point out, part of a mixed family of that. >> there was complete assimilation because no, no, no, ihave assimilation because no, no, no, i have to stop you there . i have to stop you there. >> when the windrush came here, we attempted as caribbean people to assimilate and we were repeatedly rejected. >> so you should we were rejected when it came to the workplace as you saw, there were signs no blacks , no dogs, no signs no blacks, no dogs, no irish. >> we were pushed at the back of

the queue for health care, for multiple things that we should have had the rights to have because we didn't request to come here. after the second world war, we were invited to help to rebuild britain. so you can understand why other ethnic minorities who come here have had a look historically at how the windrush generation were treated when we tried to assimilate. why would any ethnic minority want to assimilate? >> i think that is i'm going to say this. i think that is nonsense, because i think maybe those things were right about how much pushback you got. but you did try to assimilate, and that happened. so after about 30 years in our family, we're living proof of that . i don't living proof of that. i don't believe that the new, immigrants that we have actually want to assimilate or are even trying. and i think maybe there's a religious element to that. whereas the windrush generation were of christians and wanted the same values, had the same values. so maybe there's a clash of culture that way between commonwealth countries as well. >> no, i think what's happening

is with many that are coming ovenl is with many that are coming over, i agree there is some who do not want to embrace british culture, but many of those who we are seeing in recent years, over the last 20 years, they're coming here oftentimes because they don't have a choice. britain's geopolitical policy is often along with nato and america. we continue to invade their countries. we continue. we continue. and what happened in the 40s? >> we're now talking about 2023. >> we're now talking about 2023. >> so you don't think 1940s, where people are still alive from that era, hasn't had an impact of what britain has done to the asian continent? you don't think that has any impact now what? >> so they should all come over here and treat it as a second. pakistan is what you're saying. no, no. >> hang on. all come hang on. no no no no no no hang on hang on. no i'm not i said some firstly. secondly if you look i said the asian continent in terms of where india, pakistan , where india, pakistan, bangladesh is, if you look at many indians, they have come here and they are the fastest

growing in terms of property ownership. so you can't say, oh, you know , everywhere's ghetto or you know, everywhere's ghetto or you know, everywhere's ghetto or you know, everywhere's ghetto or you know, they are not assimilating because indians do assimilate. they go to oldham, you go to rochdale, you can actually pinpoint towns in bangladesh and pakistan where people have come from. >> now, if you're so adamant that multiculturalism has been an overwhelming success story, why did they all live in the same areas ? why do they all same areas? why do they all speak the same language? do you have a problem? why do they all do that? >> people living in finchley, jewish people do assimilate into british law. >> no they don't. >> no they don't. >> living in finchley. >> living in finchley. >> they also live in gateshead. >> they also live in gateshead. >> i lived in stamford hill. >> i lived in stamford hill. >> hang on, you have a problem with jewish people living in finchley? no. so why do you. why do you care? >> do jewish people speak english? do jewish people speak english? do jewish people speak english? don't you answer the question? do you? do you? can i just i answered your question. you answer mine. >> they do. they they they do. darren. but for someone like you, if you go to stamford hill, they will refuse to speak to you. they'll call you a gentile.

they will not like your sexuality. they will not want to speak to you. and you would say hello. whereas every muslim let me let peace be upon you. we've brought a different we've brought a different we've brought a different group of ethnic minorities. and we're asking you, do you hold the same opinion to the orthodox jewish community in stamford hill? who do not even want to say hello to you? >> listen, i've got absolutely loads of jewish friends, so i find i've asked you about the orthodox. i can't answer that question. i don't know anything about stamford hill, orthodox jews, about whitechapel, where the riots were this week. >> i have been there for six years as a female doctor, and i can tell you that i am not respected as a woman in this country, dressing as i do in whitechapel and being a doctor by many of the bangladeshi. >> how do they disrespect you? >> how do they disrespect you? >> benjamin? we need to we need to bring benjamin. sorry benjamin, when you were there, when lin mei says we and so we need to remember what happened in the 1940s and all these other things is that not a sign that multiculturalism hasn't worked? because nothing's happened to lin mei? is she being a victim? well assalamualaikum . well assalamualaikum. >> oh, look, you know, i think lin mei definitely has a point,

because much like the windrush generation, these people that are here aren't generally from the middle east. they are from former british colonies. and they were encouraged, whether directly or culturally, to move to britain . they were told they to britain. they were told they were part of our empire. what i would say is that this cuts two ways. it would be ridiculous to say that there aren't problems because there are quite serious problems. if you look at east london, you know, they don't vote for the labour party anymore as they used to. they vote for their own candidates. tower hamlets isn't labour run, it's run by a fairly extreme islamic leader that is, you know, many muslims in the area find distasteful. but, you know, most of them vote for him. and so that is a problem when you get communities separating like that. and i do think that the fact they can't speak english when they've lived here for decades isn't something that you should be afraid to, to call out, because, i mean, they should have the ability, the help to learn english. it's a hard thing to do, especially if you're middle aged or older, but you're middle aged or older, but you're cut off from the world. you can't. you can't. often they're reliant on their husbandsif they're reliant on their husbands if they're women and they can't help their kids at

school. and so i think, you know, we shouldn't be afraid to raise those things. >> but then what about the what about, british expats who go to various parts of the world and they refuse to speak? >> well, it's up to those other parts of the world to introduce policies to sort that out. >> but we are renowned. we are known for moving to countries and not speaking spanish, not speaking the native language. >> that's wrong. i agree with you on that. >> okay? as long as we're balanced. >> so right, who's going to go next then i think that would be me. >> oh, and it leads in beautifully now. seamless. i am an absolute proud conservative individual not to be mistaken for alignment with the tory government previously, but what absolutely frustrates me is similar to this conversation. there are many of us from ethnic minorities that would be like my complexion, like albie's complexion, like albie's complexion, some lighter, some darker who are proud to be in britain . we have educated britain. we have educated ourselves here. we have been ianed ourselves here. we have been invited here, we have gone on to have fantastic careers. we have

gone on to vote. oftentimes centre right, sometimes right . centre right, sometimes right. we oftentimes are proud conservatives. however, when things happen in britain, like unrest, like criminal activity, like heinous crimes, we somehow get all grouped together , we get get all grouped together, we get criticised, we get told that we are muslim, we get told to go back even though we are paying our taxes. if you look at the majority of convenience stores in this country, especially in big cities, it would be owned by muslims, it would be owned by brown people, it will be owned by turkish individuals. if you go and have a fantastic fry up, oftentimes who runs these now muslim turkish people, especially if you go into east london, north london, even essex and hertfordshire. so i want to know why is it that we can be picked and choose to pay taxes , picked and choose to pay taxes, give back, be proud to be a part of society. however, when issues

occurin of society. however, when issues occur in britain , all of occur in britain, all of a sudden we get back to the queue. we don't want you. you are a part of the problem . part of the problem. >> wow. >> wow. >> i think i'd probably agree with you. there mostly lin mei, so i'm interested , given the so i'm interested, given the conversation that we've just had, what darren and renee think of that. >> well, james on our comments has said that you're usually great and on the money, but you're talking broken biscuits here because what the hell is windrush era got to do with immigrants? not integrating in 2024? and that is that not a good point? >> i just i good point? >> ijust i don't good point? >> i just i don't understand and scuse my if i'm coming across rude here, but if any person who's educated and well read would know that anything even over the last hundreds to 200 years has an impact on today , years has an impact on today, let's look at class for an instance. it's only recently that kids do better than white working class kids at school. let me. >> black africans do not. black

canbbeans >> black africans do not. black caribbeans let me finish. >> right. >> right. >> so that's one small group now of an entire white working class. >> let me finish. let let let me let me finish. let's take let's take class. for example, if you go into some of these impoverished, white seaside areas, if you go to the north of england, you will speak to those individuals and they will tell you it is extremely hard to break a cycle just through one generation. so to tell me that the 40s has nothing, no impact on us now is absolutely for the birds. >> ten 1066 the irish occupation. let's go back all the way . i am a occupation. let's go back all the way. i am a victim. i will forever be a victim. i need to accept that. why? >> why would why would you do that? no. >> why would you go on generation after generation? why would you go to the. you can't have your cake. >> why would you go to the extreme? >> the irish occupation and my family come. why would you be english? >> why go to the extreme? i said the 1940 generation. >> you said it goes on in perpetuity. >> one second, i think, darren, if you went to israel and gaza,

i think they probably have quite strong opinions on the 1940s having an impact today. >> i think if you went to gaza, meet your views, you'd be thrown off a building, but you still support them every two seconds. >> they would have strong views on something happening in the 19405 on something happening in the 1940s having an impact today. well what darren said, if we if we go with what darren said, can i just say this? >> let me say this. >> let me say this. >> are you suggesting that immigrants that have come to this country are tantamount to the holocaust? no, that is not i'm not disgusting, despicable thing to say. >> no, darren. i'm going. right. >> no, darren. i'm going. right. >> let's not talk. >> let's not talk. >> let's not talk. >> let's even go. let's let's even go. let's even go before that. let's take what you're saying, like, how could we go back to 1066? well, in that case, let's go back to romans. well, let's go back to why the area of israel should even be israel, because they go back 3000 years. well, it's their land. >> an argument we have not said it's their land about the israel palestine history informs the present. >> thank you. you can't forget the history and say that has no effect on today. we're going to have to move on. >> benjamin. any thoughts? >> benjamin. any thoughts? >> well, i was going to say, going back to lindsay's original point, that there is definitely

a standard expected of anyone who looks muslim looks brown, that people don't apply to white people . you know, when you see people. you know, when you see these riots, which obviously are unacceptable, rioting is not okay. and then people will say that basically all muslims are unacceptable and they shouldn't be here. >> and multiculturalism has failed, even though terrorism has gone up with the far right. >> and when you have a football match and you know, when the euros final was was in wembley, what, three and a half years ago and a load of white lads broke down the barriers and raided their way in, and we were embarrassed on the world stage and the prime minister had to apologise. it was a complete mess. did anyone say, oh, white working class men aren't doing good enough, it's a disgrace. they're all to blame. no, they didn't, to be honest. >> let me benjamin football and people who support football are always brushed with they're they're just working class layabouts. yeah. >> they're always derived. they're not all they're not all nonsense. >> but let me be balance. let me. >> we've got to go to a break now. >> okay? >> okay? >> right. still to come tonight we'll suella braverman defect to

reform in the future. and word five. just stop oil activists who received record sentences harshly treated. but next, labour wants to build thousands of new homes. 1.5 million. this parliament, even if local residents may object, is that the right approach? you're with the saturday five live on gb news

welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for your messages about tonight's topics. phoebe says multiculturalism is not workable. is different. factions bnng workable. is different. factions bring their fights and grudges over here. i have no problem whatsoever with immigrants who wish to assimilate, who admire our country and want to be part of our culture. thank you very much, phoebe, and keep your comments coming in. gbnews.com/yoursay right, who's up next? >> well, i've been too quiet tonight, so it's my dose. let me

tell you. >> turn off the lights. yeah let me tell you a startling fact. >> house prices today compared to what the average person earns, is as unaffordable now as it was in the 1860s. we are living in dickensian levels of hardship when it comes to getting on the property ladder. and in fact, despite that, we've had years of locals complaining about anything being built in sight. that's why i think keir starmer, who had his first king's speech this week, has the right idea. he says that in the next five years we have to build 1.5 million homes and no moaning. marjorie's wont to block new houses, just because they don't like the look of it. or it maybe cuts off the view to a park. those days are over local authorities are going to have targets that they have to enforce. frankly, i'm sick of people moaning about golf courses. i think if you see a golf course concrete over it, i want houses on every hole. >> oh dear. now doctor renee,

you know you're from a generation when you can remember it being a more affordable act to get on the housing ladder and it being a more normal thing. >> what do you think about what happened? do you think this is what needs to be done? >> look, i think that the one thing that young people don't have today that i had was the ability to get on the housing ladden ability to get on the housing ladder. and i think not having that takes away aspiration in a, in a big way. and that's part of what we're missing in the puzzle of people aspiring to do better. having said that, i really think you're being ridiculous to say concrete over golf courses because there is a value to open air, fresh spaces, people's mental health. i do think that around cities where there is land which is called greenbelt, which actually really isn't, it's old garages and things like this. yes, of course we should build on it. i think the bigger answer and the better answer is to build new towns. we've done it before, we've done it successfully. and what that allows us to do is to put in the infrastructure that we are missing when you build hundreds of houses in london, you don't

get the new schools, you don't get the new schools, you don't get the new doctors, you don't get the new doctors, you don't get the new doctors, you don't get the railways, build a new town and build it all in from the start. that is sensible. and labour's 1.5 the start. that is sensible. and labour's1.5 million homes, benjamin is no different to the tory target that they've missed. we've got 600,000 people coming in net every year. we're going to build 300,000 homes. do you think that's going to sort it? if we hadn't had any immigration, we'd still not have enough houses. >> and i think the number we need at the moment is about 4.5 million. so even the target is only a third of what's presently needed. i think you're a landlord, aren't you? yes. how do you feel about this? because you must profit off the situation. >> no. well, i do, but i also found it a struggle to get on the ladder. and i do see the absolute need to build. i also work in housing, local authority, and the average wait time is over ten years. and we are having people now , i spoke are having people now, i spoke to a gentleman recently who initially was given a one bedroom. he obviously wanted to expand his family. lovely engush expand his family. lovely english guy. and now he's got a

wife and three children in a one bedroom. so you can imagine the overcrowding that we're experiencing right now. we need to build more. but no matter what any of us think on the panel what any of us think on the panel, it's not going to happen. in order to be able to build, you have to create the infrastructure. you have to create. you have to bolster people in wanting to enter the trade. young people do not want to be builders. they do not want to be builders. they do not want to be builders. they do not want to be bricklayers, not at the level that is required to build and materials are expensive and it's just not going to happen. you want to earn 100,000 plus a yeah >> the thing to do is be a plumber or a plaster or bricklayer. >> and i say it all the time. >> and i say it all the time. >> we have taken away the aspiration to do those jobs, but i'm not sure how good a plasterer i would be. >> i think i might stick to this plumber, but you know the answer to that actually is immigration. we had lots of people coming from eastern europe who do exactly those skills, and those are the people we desperately need. now, alby, can i just say to you, there was a tory

candidate the last election who lost by only 15 votes, and he stood on a high street in north london. this is london, right? it ain't in the middle. indeed. yeah, it's not the middle of cambridgeshire or something. and he said i don't want a mcdonald's here. there might be traffic as though a business that gets traffic would be a problem. and he opposed all these developments. do you not think that the thing, the legacy of the tories will be this failure to build anything? >> well, i'll start off by reminding you that actually the last 14 years of tory government built more houses than the blair—brown government before it. so i just want to make that very clear. first of all, now, on the point about the candidate in hendon. i know him. he's called a meet. i would say that we're friends. i do find conservative nimbys a complete disgrace , just like i find green disgrace, just like i find green nimbys are disgraced, just like i find labour. nimbys are a disgrace. it's so selfish for people to say i don't want this built in my backyard. they would. you're essentially saying when you say that, well, i'd rather people be homeless. i'd rather people be homeless. i'd rather people be homeless. i'd rather people not be able to afford a home, not have a good quality of life. all of these

things that previous generations just had and maybe took for granted. younger generations now can't have because we can't build anything because of the planning system and then also, there just seems to be this attitude in britain that we don't want anything to change. we're having a conversation about the expanding the national grid at the moment, because we need energy. this whole studio is kept alive by energy. people are watching television because of energy, and people are saying they don't want pylons built. well, how do you think the energy is going to get from the power station to your house? >> you can put wires underground. >> it's 5 to 10 times more expensive. renee and all. we talk about energy bills going up. this is why it's expensive. because nimbys say, oh, let's put all the infrastructure underground, making it 5 or 10. >> and but you talk about nimbys, you know, what's going to happen with your labour plan, your new labour mps are going to get their constituents coming to them, saying, i don't want that development here and they're going to start. they need to. >> yeah, but they need to be overruled because no matter the party, there needs to be a cross party. this is what we need because we talk about, you know,

the aggression of china or, business going away from the west. but we are going to be absolutely left behind as britain if other countries are building infrastructure houses and we're not. >> well, you know what i say, a plague on both parties houses actually, because labour are going to just let this immigration obsession continue. and the tories, you know, brought it to record levels. we've got half the size of scotland here now under the last government. that's absolutely appalling . you wonder why rents appalling. you wonder why rents are up 25% in four years. that's directly linked the north east. >> no you're right. no, you are right, >> north east is, i think, the most sparsely populated part of the country. >> there's so much give us all the migrants. is that what you're saying? >> give you the houses? there's so much space in this country. this idea that we're full is just. >> i would just leave you with tracy's comments. tracy says. let's concrete over every hole. benjamin butterworth has instead. >> but you know, the nhs is over 38% migrant. >> yeah, well, all right still. yeah. >> so you need migrants. you need houses , you need to train need houses, you need to train our own. they don't want to

know. >> tonight. could suella braverman defect to nigel farage's reform uk later this year? next up though , five just year? next up though, five just stop oil activists receive record sentences for planning to block the m25. was the punishment justified? you're the saturday five live

welcome back to the saturday. five emails and messages are coming in thick and fast. messages are coming in thick and fast . andrea says go boil your fast. andrea says go boil your head, butterworth. i don't play golf, but it's lovely to see people enjoying playing a sport in the fresh air. >> yeah, i just don't want them living on golf courses because there's no bleeding houses, nick says. >> why don't we concrete over mps second and third houses instead? and then someone else on our comments says really enjoying limmy's show. so, that's it . that's it. >> interesting one. >> interesting one. >> now it's time for our next debate. i'm going to abuse the

position of the chair and lead us in this one. now, i want you to imagine this picture, this scene. an ambulance blocked a funeral half full, a child missing their exam. all because some arrogant eco oscar and octavia are blocking the roads. and a new. a whopping £765,000 bill. and the metropolitan police £1 million. but justice fox has prevailed. just stop oils chief roger hallam now has five years in jail after brazenly trying to actually lecture the judge. i kid you not. and it's part of one of the longest sentences for non—violent protest. so credit to suella braverman for pushing through these anti—road blocking laws . a un rapporteur said it laws. a un rapporteur said it was a dark day and compared britain to north korea. you would think it was benjamin butterworth in the position. the same un globalists who don't want us to control our own borders. i'm with the judge . he

borders. i'm with the judge. he scorned those causing hardship to push propaganda, thinking it's their way or the highway. and that was an intentional pun, a clear message was unleashed. just stop oil is not above the law . law. >> god, you wedged immigration and the globalist agenda into there. i don't think it was relevant to that point at all. >> oh, someone's upset. i'm not upset at all. >> it was just totally irrelevant. >> but, on the on the point about the sentences, look, i think they should be punished. >> i just think at a time where we are literally releasing violent criminals from prison because prisons are not releasing violent criminals. >> get your facts right. >> get your facts right. >> we will be releasing some pretty unsavoury people. >> they're not violent, though. they are not in the way. we are going to be releasing some pretty unsavoury people from prisons, and i don't trust the state, not to make a mistake with the people they released from prisons. >> so we might well see some people release from prison that aren't meant to be released from prison. but the point is, prisons are full. i think at a time when prisons are full, sending a peaceful protester, no

matter how irritating they are. and i hate just stop oil to prison for five years when we don't have capacity in prisons to keep all the prisoners in prison. at the moment that we have, i just think we should probably have been more creative with the sentence. and i think given the circ*mstances, it was heavy handed. >> now, renee someone says they will. >> michael says they will be out on appeal and awarded £1 million for false imprisonment. once you know, because there's an appeal going on at the moment, which is a challenge by the think tank, the group pressure group liberty, and they challenged it under suella braverman. now labour are toying with the idea of continuing to fight that appeal. do you have confidence that they will continue to fight the appeal? >> i don't, and i think that that, viewer is right, that they probably will be out shortly. anyway, after the appeal. look, i get i'm torn about this because i get what you're saying. but there's another part of me that says that we shouldn't be adjusting our justice system because our jails justice system because ourjails are full. if our jails are full, we need to build more jails, and

we need to build more jails, and we need to build more jails, and we need to build them quickly. that's very clear. i also think that we give. the other thing that we give. the other thing that worries me about this is they are very long sentences when we quite often give rapists and paedophiles less than five years. but again, my head kicks in and says the problem is not with the just stop oil sentences, it's that we're not giving rapists and paedophiles long enough sentences. so i think we shouldn't change our laws because of this. and i think they caused massive disruption. people did miss really important things. and i know that sounds really trite, but it isn't a man missed his father's funeral. he may never cope with that. they could have killed people. i know they didn't, but i think enough is enough. well, we don't know that. >> you know, ambulances getting from a to b, we don't know what what's going on in those ambulances. benjamin. one of our viewers, mr atkinson, says climate change fanatics blocking the m25 cost millions of taxpayers money. why? for an irrational net zero target which won't even save the planet . our won't even save the planet. our climate has changed since records began. of course , but records began. of course, but these protesters have been indoctrinated into a cult which

will impoverish us when we emit less than 1% of co2 emissions. >> well, that viewer i disagree with. look, i totally agree with net zero, and i think it's absolutely essential that a serious government like the one we have, but also boris johnson signed up to the same plan, says that we need to remake the way our economy works because the world is changing whether it's comfortable or not. so i definitely, you know, i'm what some people might call a climate zealot and yet, well, hang on, hang on. >> because you're going on houday >> because you're going on holiday shortly. will you be getting there by small boat, by yacht , by yacht? yacht, by yacht? >> it'll be me and loads of omission. i pictured you in a dinghy with me and emma thompson in our shared yacht that she has. >> or will it be you and emma thompson in first class, >> i've never flown first class in my life. >> but you will be flying. to be clear, i will be flying to. and you're so worried about the climate emergency. >> yeah. and actually. but that's why i say that we have to remake the economy. because the

small things that each people, each person can do are not enough to change the scale of the problem. >> so you could not go on holiday. that easy way of changing your local governments to do that? i'm sorry benjamin, i'm not going to let this go. you're being deeply hypocritical. >> no, you are. >> no, you are. >> i'm not. because i've always said in these arguments the whole time that you need to, i would. i don't think you should ban air travel. i think you have to come up with new ways to do it without it having the damage. >> would you tax frequent flyers like yourself, >> well, i don't know how you'd measure that tax. i don't know how you'd check how many flights. people have done more than three flights a year. >> tax. yeah, but i think i'm not saying we should, but that would affect. yeah. >> and i think would you support that i think yes. >> and i also probably on business travel which is increasingly unnecessary in the age of zoom. but i just wanted to say this, i do actually think that this really harsh sentence has a merit to it, because this wasn't something that had just started. it had been going on for a couple of years now, and i think the judge understood that you have to send a very strong message about this pattern of

behaviour, he said. the judge said that they'd crossed from, caring about a cause to being fanatics that didn't have respect for the rule of law. now, i might agree with their cause, but next week someone could do it. feeling the same, supreme, you know, divinity of course, i don't agree with. and so you do have to draw the line somewhere in a civilised society. >> lie—in me. >> mr thomas says send the just stop oil vie to an oil rig in the north sea for the duration of their sentences. would you go that far? >> oh. why not? that's quite creative idea . that's creative. creative idea. that's creative. and i think the issue is with just stop oil. they didn't have, overwhelming backing of, you know, the public. exactly and at a time where we were struggling at the back of covid, cost of living, people were really trying to get to work. they were really trying to see their family. they were trying to get to hospital. and i think in law, there's something called the floodgates, where if you allow this to repeatedly happen, you're going to see more and more people for various different protests and beliefs. but i would say that it is a

little bit scary because i'm sure all of us believe in something very deeply and passionately, and we at some stage possibly would want to protest. we don't want to leave our house in fear that we may be imprisoned within the country. >> well, indeed. very true, i won't be. >> the viewers will be very happy to know i won't be gluing my bottom to the road any time soon. still to come. tonight we're going to discuss the american presidential race with the former us ambassador to denmark. key element of the trump regime carlos sainz. but next, reports suggest suella braverman could potentially defect from the conservatives to reform later this year. is that likely to happen, and would it be a good thing reform ? you' re reform? you're with the saturday five

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with our next discussion. who's up next? >> well, there's only one left, and i think his name is alby. and that would be me. there's a question in westminster at the moment. is suella braverman going to defect to the reform party? we heard reports from the i newspaper yesterday that sources close to suella braverman were saying that if she didn't win the tory leadership contest, she would defect to the reform party. now, since then , a spokesperson for since then, a spokesperson for suella braverman, of course, the former home secretary has said this is nonsense and that she's got no plans to defect to reform . got no plans to defect to reform. but they would say that, wouldn't they? but the question is, should she or shouldn't she? whether or not she's thinking about it or not is suella braverman more suited to the reform party than the conservative party in its current form? she is much less popular in this tory leadership campaign than she was last time. many of her key backers people like steve baker, people like sir john hayes, people like sirjohn hayes, people like danny, danny kruger are backing

other people. whether or not thatis other people. whether or not that is robert jenrick or tom tugendhat. so it's slightly looks like her leadership campaign is a non—starter, and she seems to burnt so many bndges she seems to burnt so many bridges within the party that it might be quite difficult for her to remain a member of the conservative party after the leadership contest. if she does lose it. so maybe, maybe it makes sense for to her move to reform. darren, what do you think ? think? >> listen, i think reform would be delighted, but one of the reforms members has just written to in say she would be unacceptable to me and many reform members . reform members. >> new blood is what's needed. so there's one person that agrees with you, although i'm not sure you sort of clambering for new blood in reform , but i, for new blood in reform, but i, i would argue actually, i think it would be very beneficial for reform for suella to be part of their cause. i think that on everything i've just mentioned there, with the, stopping the road blocking of just stop oil protests, she got that absolutely right. and the public massively supported what she

did. i think she has been robust and is the backbone that the conservative party ought to have, but has sadly lost. >> lie—in you're a reform voter , >> lie—in you're a reform voter, would you be happy with suella braverman and the reform party? >> no, i wouldn't, i think i agree with the comment previously that said reform needs new blood. i think lee anderson was a good fit. i think he made sense. i think he's a good representation for reform. but i also think that many conservatives or conservative people with the fundamental ideals, they do not want to see people permeate from the tory government into them, because then what's going to happen is are we going to face the same problems now, if nigel farage has any hope of becoming leader, he needs to get that new blood. and i think suella is very impersonal. what is it i think like about suella? yeah, she's very divisive . it's not very divisive. it's not necessarily her politics. i actually agree with some of her politics. it's her delivery. if

you look at kemi badenoch and her, they are similar in terms of their views . however, they're of their views. however, they're miles apart in terms of the support. why would reform pick up conservatives leftovers ? up conservatives leftovers? >> i mean, i call reform uk reheated uk because it's just a regurgitated version of sort of thatcherite politics. farage himself obviously was in the tories. he went for selection in the tories, and i think 2001 general election after being kicked out of ukip. so i don't think that it's that different a party. but look, you know, i'm going to disagree with you all. i want suella braverman to be tory leader. i think it'd be fantastic for the labour party. she is. and lynn may run a really good point. she is so bad at politics. i mean , it's at politics. i mean, it's extraordinary. and also, first of all, the idea that reform uk would take the woman that had the highest ever immigration as home secretary to then be in their anti—immigration party. and i just point out this is someone who said the tories are dire before polling day and then after getting re—elected, went off to the us to give a speech

saying that she hates. >> well, that was booked in before the election. >> she didn't know that the election was going to be called. >> she chose to go to america when she was meant to be, to make a keynote speech. >> she could hardly let them down. i don't think my constituents says anything out of that for you. what's the matter, alba? you always tell us that the conservative party is a broad church, is it not? broad enough to have suella in? >> no, it's not broad enough to have suella. and she is divisive. i believe she is actually racist and a thoroughly bigoted woman, is she? people like that should not be in the conservative party. so i just wonder if the problem is, is that suella is speaking. >> we absolutely have to strongly deny that suella braverman is racist, she said british pakistani men had a problem with grooming. >> she she basically said, that's your opinion. she basically said, that's your child. grooming was a problem of the british pakistani community. thatis the british pakistani community. that is a racist comment. >> that is your and many, many pakistani people in this country thought it was a racist. >> no you can't. >> no you can't. >> i agree, you cannot say it on this show and call someone a racist. you're absolutely that

is what that that led me. >> you're a pakistani heritage. do you think that was a racist comment? i do because she grouped when you group everyone together based on their skin colour or their heritage, then it is not on this show. >> okay, i won't go. >> okay, i won't go. >> i won't go as far as to say she is a racist, but a lot of her rhetoric is right. >> fine. that's your opinion. we can leave it there. >> i just i'm so sorry. >> ijust i'm so sorry. >> yes we are. it's fine. i'm so sorry. renee. you will get a bite of the cherry with our ambassador friend coming up in a second. right now, there is loads more to come tonight on the show. we're going to be discussing a hectic seven days in american politics with carlos sainz ambassador to denmark. dunng sainz ambassador to denmark. during the trump administration. and in bunch of five, lily allen angers the nation and strictly come dancing. beset by scandal. you're with the saturday five live on gb news >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news

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>> it's still saturday night . >> it's still saturday night. and this is still the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, along with albie amankona doctor renee lie—in me that rhymes and benjamin butterworth . plenty benjamin butterworth. plenty more to come tonight, including our big interview with former us ambassador to denmark for the trump administration. and on a related note , what should be related note, what should be a lively saturday scrap between doctor renee and benjamin on whether a trump presidency would be good for britain. it's 7 pm. and this is the saturday five.

also coming up in bunch of five, lily allen angers a nation. strictly come dancing is beset by scandal and truly the most important news of the week. the nafion important news of the week. the nation has revealed its most hated biscuit. let me know what yours is then we'll be answering yours is then we'll be answering your questions in ask the five. send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay. first of all, though, we're going to get your saturday night news headunes your saturday night news headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> darren. thank you. the top stories, yesterday's it outage affected almost 8.5 million microsoft devices. that's to according the tech giant. the company added the figure represents less than 1% of all windows machines, but it was enough to spark chaos at many of the world's airports . flight the world's airports. flight delays are still persisting as airlines and other businesses slowly get back online in time for the summer holidays. banks,

supermarkets and even major television and radio broadcasters were among the many others who were also knocked off line yesterday. nhs england is expecting disruption to gp services to continue into next week . in other news, a yacht has week. in other news, a yacht has been seized in the english channel carrying a group of migrants trying to cross illegally from france. footage obtained exclusively by gb news shows the 18 foot yacht as it towed into dover's harbour by the border force. our producer counted 86 migrants disembarking from the force's vessel. it comes as hundreds of other migrants launch from the beaches of northern france in small boats. the third busy day of illegal crossings this week . illegal crossings this week. police in south gloucestershire are appealing for help in the search for a prisoner who escaped from hmp leyhill yesterday . gary rotham, who's yesterday. gary rotham, who's 42, was serving sentences for driving, robbery and burglary offences. he was last seen just

before 5:00 yesterday afternoon and was wearing a dark nike polo shirt, dark jogging bottoms and black trainers. police say he should not be approached and they're urging anyone with any information to contact them or crime stoppers . in the united crime stoppers. in the united states , reports suggest nancy states, reports suggest nancy pelosi has told colleagues she'd prefer a competitive process to find a replacement for president joe biden if he drops out. the former house speaker is understood to have pushed for an open primary. instead of directly nominating vice president kamala harris. that could see several candidates from within the democratic party compete for the chance to face donald trump. with just 107 days until the election. it comes as the number of democrats calling on president biden to stand aside reaches 35 amid dwindling poll numbers back home pay increases in the public sector could cost around £10 billion, which is believed to be more than the government had forecast. independent pay review bodies are reportedly set to

recommend pay rises of 5.5% for teachers and nhs staff, but schools and hospitals are unlikely to be able to meet the increase with their existing budgets without making cuts. it could represent a significant challenge for rachel reeves first budget. after promising to clamp down on borrowing and ruling out a string of tax rises dunng ruling out a string of tax rises during the election campaign , during the election campaign, and highs of 26 saw 27 degrees have been forecast for some parts of the uk next week, with the weather to improve for the start of the summer holidays. that's as clouds and cooler weather have returned this weekend after the hottest day of the year so far yesterday, the met office says temperatures reached almost 32 degrees in central london. however, heavy rain and bursts of thunder are forecast for wales and south—west england today and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign

direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you tatiana. folks, it's saturday night and you're with a saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for another very lively hour . hopefully not as lively hour. hopefully not as lively hour. hopefully not as lively as that one, but we're going to crack on with tonight's big interview. it's been a hectic seven days for former president donald trump, who of course, thank god, survived an assassination attempt last weekend and went to on headline the republican convention naming j.d. vance as his vice presidential nominee. meanwhile, many democrats are calling for president joe biden to stand aside and allow someone else to take on trump in the presidential election later this

yeah presidential election later this year. here to discuss these very significant events and pleased to welcome carlos sainz, a former economic adviser to trump who was ambassador to denmark dunng who was ambassador to denmark during his presidency. former ambassador sands, thank you very much for joining ambassador sands, thank you very much forjoining us. how was the much for joining us. how was the republican convention? the mood there just seems in total stark contrast, like night and day, to the democrats falling apart, arguing with each other about whether or not to keep their nominee, whereas the republicans seem totally united right now . seem totally united right now. >> darren. it's absolutely true. i've been attending republican conventions since 2000, and this was the best one i've attended by far. it was phenomenal, filled with speakers that really speak to different members of our society here in the united states , from working people to states, from working people to people who have lost their loved onesin people who have lost their loved ones in wars, in the disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan that joe biden and his administration

conducted just a few years ago, it was uplifting. it was promising the american dream, the hope of the american dream to every american. and that's why j.d. vance is a great vice president candidate, because he comes from the wrong side of the tracks from a drug addicted mother raised by his grandmother. very tough lady, and he brought himself up by his own hard work and bootstraps, attending finally, yale law school and writing a best seller, hillbilly elegy. i recommend it to your viewers. >> yes, the film is great as well, actually. >> but carla, you have a unique insight. alongside your colleagues in the sort of ambassadorial part of the trump administration. but an insight into europe and i know you're very passionate about things like an energy policy, for example, and being energy independent. and of course, in the fact that under president trump, there were certainly

fewer conflicts going on in the world, what would the benefits, do you think, to europe be of a president trump return to the white house? >> well, so that's a great question, darren. number one, i think that his promise to close our border to the illegal immigrants coming in is a great example to our european allies, who we want to have strong societies and really the, the, the people from the uk deserve to have the opportunity and safety in their neighbourhoods and in their the good jobs rather than people coming in illegally, not through normal immigration channels. that's first. it drains the public coffers, but second, his example of leading peace through strength with a strong nation. we want every nation state that's our ally to be strong. we want your prime minister to be focused on making uk great and

toward the energy point. we want our allies to be energy secure and europe largely is not because of very bad energy policy that's been in place for decades now . you have an even decades now. you have an even more leftist government coming into power in the uk, and i really worry. i mean, uk could be fracking, which is so clean. it's actually a green thing to do because it's renewable, it's natural . and in the western natural. and in the western countries we do harvesting of energy cleaner than anywhere else in the world. >> yeah. but just before i go to benjamin butterworth, who won't be quite as pleasant as i am, carla, i regretfully say, but carla, i regretfully say, but carla, i regretfully say, but carla, i wonder who would be if i can ask this question, who can? who would be your least favoured, shall we say, pick on the democrat side to replace president biden? who would you who do you think would be the best challenger to trump? >> well, darren, you know, president biden was actually

elected in the primary democratically by the voters. so for these party honchos, these backroom smoke filled room meetings to try to push out the democratically nominated candidate of the other major party in the united states is the least democratic thing i can even think of. he is the candidate. if they push him out, it is undemocratic. it is top down machine politics. but that's what we see from the purported party of democracy. >> carla , if they did push him >> carla, if they did push him out, who would be the candidate that the republican party would fear the most? >> i don't think it's a matter of fearing another candidate. we have the best candidate in my lifetime running for president with the best candidate for vp in my lifetime , running for the in my lifetime, running for the vice president. we've seen the consequences of having bad leadership and a bad administration in washington

with wars around the world, loss of american life, open borders , of american life, open borders, fentanyl crisis, killing more young americans than died in world war two. terrible. we've also seen. yes. and we've seen what happens under strong american leadership. no new foreign wars, secure border. the abraham accords, bringing peace to the middle east. and so many other important efforts. even the north korea diplomatic relationship. there was a lot of progress made under president trump. but the best progress was that the working people actually had their incomes go up the most in my lifetime, including women's employment and all of the minorities in america, whether it's asians, hispanics , whether it's asians, hispanics, blacks, people from other backgrounds, they all did better. and the average american family had about $8,000 more in their pockets every year than under the biden administration. >> i mean, benjamin butterworth, even you must be thinking, come on. after hearing all that, the

average american would be a lot better off under trump. >> no, because a lot of those facts are highly dubious. it's questionable that they're not facts at all. what i'd say to you, though, is someone who obviously knows foreign relations extremely well. having been the ambassador in denmark is that i think european capitals are terrified of a trump return because of what he and his new pick as deputy, as vice president have said about ukraine. and i think a lot of european governments fear that this will be a gift to russia. if trump is re—elected . if trump is re—elected. >> well, benjamin , unfortunately >> well, benjamin, unfortunately for you, facts are facts. they're not ideas. they're facts. and you can't argue with facts. >> the biggest jobs growth of any president in history is the current one, joe biden. black unemployment was lower under joe biden than it was under donald trump. so there's two things that you got wrong. but let's do the question. i just recall if you'll let me answer the question. >> first of all, black employment was better under president trump until we had the

pandemic that was released out of china, if you'll recall. and that's why that employment changed at black employment is not doing well right now in the united states regarding ukraine, no matter how much money that the eu countries or the us shovels over there, it is not going to change the outcome. ukraine is out of young fighting age men. the average age of the soldiers over there is about 45 years old. they are just going into the wood chipper of the russian military might. there's many more men fighting age men from russia than from ukraine. and we are not sending young american men and women over. >> nobody is saying that american troops should be in ukraine. >> president trump well, some in the eu have suggested nato troops. president trump will find a way to bring peace within this conflict. but i'll just say you you misunderstand the moment and people can be dogmatic about

their ideas. but facts are facts and they're tough things. america and the world did better under president trump, and he will push for free and fair trade on a level playing field. >> i'm sorry, can i just say, i >> i'm sorry, can ijust say, i think the way that you play in to russian talking points and think that we should give up to a dangerous dictator that would go so much further than ukraine. >> i think the idea you represented the us abroad is a disgrace , and you let down so disgrace, and you let down so many americans and so many ukrainians, and thank god britain is not on the same path as you and america. >> i don't think americans would agree . agree. >> ben. sorry. >> ben. sorry. >> let's let carla defend her position. >> well, i mean, your rhetoric is hot. your rhetoric is hostile. >> it always is . carla. >> it always is. carla. >> it always is. carla. >> oh, i see, well, you know , >> oh, i see, well, you know, the point is, we want our allies to be strong. we want them to be wealthy . wealthy, strong wealthy. wealthy, strong countries can take care of their environment and make sure that it's clean. the water, the air,

the people are actually not dying in their homes, which tens of thousands of uk citizens have died because of cold, because of the bad energy policy in the uk. i think the prime minister needs to look after the people of the uk and then pay the fair share to the nato defence. the world is not getting safer, it's getting more dangerous and our nato allies need to do more. i agree it's not just buying equipment, it's training soldiers , it's recruiting more soldiers, it's recruiting more young soldiers. and then it's getting them trained on the equipment there. there are many shortcomings, as you know, although we know uk is a great ally, there's so much more to do. >> well, i agree, but carla , >> well, i agree, but carla, just finally and just briefly, i wonder how was president trump after the assassination? because purely psychologically, you know, that must really , really know, that must really, really put something over a person . you put something over a person. you know, that the terrifying aspect

of what could have amounted, well, what literally did amount to a head turn saving his life . to a head turn saving his life. >> darren, it's so true . it's >> darren, it's so true. it's a miracle that president trump is alive and that we weren't having alive and that we weren't having a funeral instead of a republican national convention. it's i'm i feel so blessed that he's living. and i think americans are still processing the fact that their leader on the, you know, more than half the, you know, more than half the voters now support this man was almost killed . remember, was almost killed. remember, they the left, the democrats on they the left, the democrats on the left have tried to bankrupt him, put him in prison for over 700 years, strip him of his company. and then this assassination attempt, along with so many lawsuits on him and his family, this man has been attacked by the left and the democrats since 2015 after being a hero in american business and in communities around the

country . it's a miracle i see country. it's a miracle i see a changed man. i see that he has been been given a new lease on life, and it seems like his countenance has changed and there's a purpose to him. he had a purpose before, but his purpose seems even stronger today than it was before . today than it was before. >> all right, former ambassador sands, thank you very much for your company there and for endunng your company there and for enduring benjamin butterworth now. right. there's plenty more donald trump chat to come after the break. first of all, though, there's still plenty of time to grab your chance to win £30,000 in the great british giveaway. that's our biggest cash prize of the year. what would you do with that extra cash? here's how you could win it all. >> don't miss your chance to win our super summer giveaway with your chance to win £30,000 cash! our biggest cash prize to date, which means you get to spend every single penny however you like. what plans would you make with an extra £30,000 cash in

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coming in. so, messi says, benjamin looked so angry. i assume it's not the actual messi, but benjamin looked so angry that the former ambassador to denmark shut him down with facts and figures. benjamin was just. we all hate trump. what a hypocrite. well he's going to get a jet out of here to make himself feel better, june says. brilliant benjamin. proper questions instead of softball rubbish . and quite right into rubbish. and quite right into the bargain, the bargain. trump's stance on ukraine is a huge concern. but then cassandra said, if ukraine was winning the war, then it wouldn't need to keep coming back with the begging bowl for more equipment and money, she says. i think we're kidding ourselves that we would have to send troops in order for them to break the stalemate. and obviously no one wants that to happen. well, you probably do. you're mental enough now, though. it's time for this . yes indeedy, it's

for this. yes indeedy, it's tonight's main event. before the break, we were talking about the chances of donald j. trump becoming president of the united states for a second time. but would that occurrence be a good a net benefit for the united kingdom? well, doctor renee thinks that the world needs donald trump. but benjamin butterworth thinks donald duck would be a better option. seconds out. it's round one. lead us off, doctor renee. >> so i do think that the world needs donald trump, because i think we need somebody in power in the world who is not going to continue conflicts around the world, get into conflicts. he was the president in the united states who actually didn't do it. he didn't do war. he did negotiation. he spoke to people that were deplorables. and he also spoke to the working man. what i would like is for the british government to look at trump when he stands up and says, let's make america great again. let's have a small state, low tax, let's be protectionist,

let's be self—sufficient. let's bnng let's be self—sufficient. let's bring manufacturing purely within the walls of the united states. let's stop illegal immigration. let's give jobs to people here. first. let's look after ourselves. i want someone to stand up in the uk and say, let's make britain great again by doing exactly what donald trump is doing. and i also think that there is a complete fear in the eu for donald trump winning that election , not just because that election, not just because of ukraine. and i agree with the ambassador that actually ukraine is now an unwinnable war and only negotiation is going to bnng only negotiation is going to bring peace, peace and stop people dying every day. a thousand young men a day are dying. but more than that, europe is shaking in their boots because they're going to have to step up and look after themselves and not rely on the united states to be their army. we need donald trump to bring some sense back into the world. and when i say sense, i mean

everyday people, not the globalists who want this big open club where only the people at the top benefit and the people at the bottom are just forgotten. >> you know, my late grandmother would probably call donald trump. she'd have a great northern phrase that he's all fur coat and no knickers. this is a guy that likes to market himself as a strong man, as a great, powerful, strong leader and yet when he comes up against strong leaders , he's a puss*cat. strong leaders, he's a puss*cat. he has more in common with dictators and people that want to control their countries rather than lead them than he does. european democratic leaders. and actually, i think the former us ambassador and trump loyalist that we just had on this program illustrated that perfectly. the vast majority of people in britain and in europe , people in britain and in europe, and a great many in america for that matter, know that what happened when putin invaded ukraine was not only appalling

and is losing tens of thousands of ukrainian lives, as well as russian soldiers that frankly have no choice in what they're doing. but it is reminiscent of what happened in the 30s in europe. this is a megalomaniac that will not stop at ukraine and so if donald trump really had britain's interests and europe's interests, if he were actually a strong man, then he would stand up to a megalomaniac dictator trying to slaughter innocent people in neighbouring countries to take control. and yet he doesn't. he chooses a guy in jd. vance's vice presidential candidate who says that he doesn't give a damn. what happens to ukraine now? i think that britain has a proud history of standing up to fascists and dictators, one that we talk about to this day because it changed our lives and it changed tens of millions of lives on the continent. why on earth would we benefit from backing someone who is more chamberlain than churchill ? chamberlain than churchill? >> i mean, everything that

you've said there is based on ukraine. and actually, whilst i agree with you, of course, what putin did in going into ukraine was the most appalling thing and it was a dictator trying to take over a country. however, it's as i've said, it's reached a point, benjamin, where there is no solution unless we actually want to get involved in a war which we don't because we barely have enough troops to even man one of our navy ships. so we can't do that anyway. and would you want to send british young men and women off to die in ukraine with putin? or should we get around the table and talk to him? and moreover, should we start looking inwards at our country and thinking how we can follow trump and make britain great again as it once was? >> i think the problem is that i talk about ukraine, because i think it epitomises that he is weak when strength matters. he is weak in the face of people that actually challenge the western order of events. it's things like nato and the united

nations, which are among the great successes of britain in the post world, post world war era. but nato and he wants to undermine those. >> but nato is only successful because america carries it. this is the whole point. half of the people in nato don't even pay the bare minimum. >> all right, lynne, mate, what i would say to what i've heard is that, you know , throughout is that, you know, throughout europe, countries are now saying, look, we are increasing our defence spending. they and that was always a trump threat. he always said, you know, we will pull out of europe if you don't actually put your 25% in and also, he did stand up to world leaders on the world stage, so much so that i can remember the liberal global establishment saying, oh , he establishment saying, oh, he said that. he really said that because he was such a no holds barred president. >> yeah. i think what benjamin is saying is you're echoing the globalists. i think you're echoing those in power. i think

you're echoing those of privilege. i think the average everyday working man is sick to the back teeth of us entering wars, us being contributors of wars. and i think this cannot go on.andi wars. and i think this cannot go on. and i think we had a neighbour hang on where trump is concerned under his administration, we were on the bnnk administration, we were on the brink of actually having a war with iran. if biden was in power , with iran. if biden was in power, we would have seen bloodshed, catastrophic bloodshed. but you know what trump did? he said, we're going to target one of their main, men who is the cause of such contention? and we're going to take him out. and what that did was it sent a message to iran . you cannot mess with to iran. you cannot mess with us, and we can show you that without sending our troops, without sending our troops, without sending our troops, without sending , our young men without sending, our young men and without bloodshed. and i want to see more of that. >> was that. can i just say his name? >> yes. >> yes. >> you might call me a globalist. if being a globalist means that i think that western countries should stand up when evil dictators prey on weak countries and weaker people to

try and slaughter them, which is happening all over the world. right now, ukraine being the example i've given, if that makes me a globalist , then i am makes me a globalist, then i am a proud globalist. >> what do you what do you say to in 1994, where multiple countries in europe actually agreed to not have a nato expansion? and now what putin feels is there is a nato expansion ? i'm not saying expansion? i'm not saying putin's right. he's horrendous for going into ukraine, but the reality is there are lots on the other side that think differently. so we cannot be bunded differently. so we cannot be blinded by thinking we are this great west, that we can just continue to keep on fighting what trump is saying. he's not being a little man against putin. he's being rational. he's saying we need to get round the table. >> all right, albie, i think what people like benjamin and even myself to some degree , kind even myself to some degree, kind of internationalist thinking people need to do is really understand why people are attracted to people like donald trump and nigel farage. >> and on the point about globalist institutions, if we talk about nato, it is right to

say that most a lot of the countries in nato do not meet their defence commitments. it is an absolute disgrace that europe cannot defend itself without america. that's a disgrace. how is it that european governments, after the post—war era have not kept defence spending up? so we're now in a position where our security relies on america. that's a disgrace. and people need to focus on sorting that out rather than being angry at donald trump for being right on something. >> all right, we'll leave that there during the break, though, benjamin is going to sign himself up at our armed forces. >> still ahead, our wonderful viewers take control as we take your questions in. ask the five. get them in gbnews.com/yoursay next. so in bunch of five, we argue over the nation's most hated biscuit. and who said brexit there as bullying allegations swirl around strictly come dancing, we'll ask if the show can continue to thrive. benjamin butterworth will be performing the tango.

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a very warm welcome back to the saturday. five emails and messages are flying in on the saturday showdown. della says , saturday showdown. della says, saturday showdown. della says, saturday scrap. rather sorry, della says donald trump has almost 100 million followers globally. how many has benjamin got ? someone else has written in got? someone else has written in and asked whether or not benjamin is transforming into a werewolf because of the facial hair. >> i do need a shave. it's true. and rosa says, never thought i'd say it, but i agree with benjamin on ukraine appeasem*nt and rewarding aggression are what don't work. >> but i agree with the doctor on the rest. the doctor are you doctor who? >> i think so, yes. >> i think so, yes. >> right now though, it's time for this . anyone can be doctor

for this. anyone can be doctor who these days . who these days. >> yes. >> yes. >> i think he's black and gay now. yeah. so definitely not renee. >> she is . he. >> she is. he. >> did you just assume her genderis >> did you just assume her gender is black and gay ? gender is black and gay? >> all right, who's going to start us off? >> i am so labour mp flo eshalomi made a controversial speech in parliament this week. let's take a listen. >> this is my opportunity to get on record that nigerian jollof is the best jello. hey before the member for erith and thamesmead has other ideas . thamesmead has other ideas. >> now you might be wondering what is controversial about that. well, let me tell you there is a west african dish called jollof rice cooked that every african country in west africa basically thinks you can see it on the screen. it's a bit like paella, but african kind of imagine it like that. but every individual west african country thinks their jollof is the best. so for flo eshalomi, who is a

british nigerian, to go into parliament and say on record in hansard, now there is memorialised nigerian jollof is the best jollof in the world. it is an affront to my ghanaian heritage . i'm sorry and that is heritage. i'm sorry and that is why it is controversial. >> what's the difference? >> what's the difference? >> i can i can tell you, you you want to tell me the difference? >> well, just different countries put different spices in it. >> they cook it in a different way. they use different kinds of rice. you use basmati, don't you? yeah, we use basmati. >> i don't, but not for things. >> i don't, but not for things. >> if you imagine the difference between kind of risotto and paella that really are the same dish, but it's the different spices. >> i rarely think of anything else. >> it's the, it's the different spices and the different ingredients. >> directors taste different. >> directors taste different. >> just said ghanaians definitely better. it is no nigerian. sorry, but can i just say i'm sorry to be a party pooper? >> you've never had a roll. here we go. >> but i'm going to be is that really the best use of parliamentary time? >> people in parliament make funny speeches all of the time. i remember when penny mordaunt made a speech where she was

dead, i think by some of the people from her reservist corps to basically get get the word co*ck in as many times as possible in a speech she was doing in parliament, spoken about love island as well. >> she meant the animal to people. yes, she meant well. >> yes, she meant the animal. >> yes, she meant the animal. >> let's let's before 9:00. >> let's let's before 9:00. >> she meant the. >> she meant the. >> she meant the. >> she meant the animal, but but the point is, people have fun in parliament all the time. and i don't think there's a problem with people having fun in parliament all right. renee. >> right. so i've been upset this week or the week before. i can't remember the football so long ago now by lily allen, because she decided that it was appropriate when england lost the football to post the most hideous picture of what she suggested was england football fans with the wrong flag draped around their shoulder. i would just point out that's the union flag, not the england flag, and suggesting that they're just big, fat, balding englishmen. and it's this sneering of the left at the working class, the football supporter. we saw emily thornberry do it when she talked

about white van man, because they had flags everywhere . i they had flags everywhere. i don't know what it is about the left who have completely the working class. the labour party, for example, have lost touch with what a working class man actually is and it isn't that and it isn't right to sneer at it and look down their noses. go away, lily . away, lily. >> well, lily allen, of course, is a nepo baby. that's what she is. nepotist and nepotism fully at play there. and daddy gave her all these opportunities. >> she's talented though as well, isn't she? >> well, she puts on a working class accent and says, you know, i'm salt of the earth. >> well, she's from london. that's how people in london speak. >> no. oh, please. >> no. oh, please. >> there's so many different clubs in london. >> oh, she's not putting on a working class accent. yes she is. >> that's that's that's how she speaks. lily anne is. lily allen is one of the greatest musicians britain has produced. and i think we should be proud of her. sure. >> i'd go that far. i think she's talented. that's hyperbole of the highest order. >> just because you agree with her views. >> but why do the left sneer at

the working class? yeah. >> why do you sneer? >> why do you sneer? >> yeah, well they don't, renee, because we've got the most working class cabinet in history, and we've got a working class man as prime minister, and we've got a deputy. >> he is not working class, is working class filmmaker. >> yes. >> yes. >> no. and we've got a deputy prime minister who was so poor that she could only bath once a week at her grandmother's house, i think i think the people sneering at them are actually the toffs, like boris johnson, she thinks. >> but what really irritated me about this picture is i went to go and watch the football last week in london, and it was multicultural. >> you don't look like that, do you? >> you're all upset about it. so i think this idea that it's kind of, you know, these old white men who were crying over the flag, well, it's not a lot of people. the multicultural country that we are supported england. it was a beautiful thing to see the country come together and then to mock it like that. i just thought it was really in quite poor taste. and for a londoner, i expect better. >> sandra has written in and said who's lily allen? sandra, are you at best place love? leave it there. right. i'm going

to talk to you about biscuits now. i like a little biscuit now and then and so does the nation. we are biscuit mad and the nafion we are biscuit mad and the nation has decided what is and isn't . its well, what is its isn't. its well, what is its most hated of all the biscuits. now i think i've got a little graphic or something or other here, have i? no, i don't have a graphic. there's a horrible pink wafer that was one of the worst. >> is that the most hated the worst, most hated was actually , worst, most hated was actually, well, the most loved, i guess, in that order would be shortbread. >> and then the most hated pink wafer, i think, was second off the bottom. and then it was garibaldi at the bottom. and fig roll was, throw should be illegal. third most hated. i actually quite like a fig roll. >> sorry, i don't mind one. i don't like a digestive. >> well, it's got like, sort of. well, i guess fig in the middle of it, but it's a baked sort of. >> it's like cake slash biscuit. yummy. it's chewy. >> i really like it. but all of the viewers are saying fig biscuits. yuck the pink wafer are getting a whack. >> no. they're awful.

>> no. they're awful. >> pink wafers. >> pink wafers. >> the pink wafers, sorry. pink wafers were the most hated. so would you like a pink one? >> i like pink wafers. >> i like pink wafers. >> the kind of thing they called me in the school playground. >> i say you are a bit lucky, but honestly, i haven't had pink. >> i haven't i haven't had a pink wafer in a very long time. but that was probably my favourite as a kid. >> really? yeah. mine too. when i was a kid. yeah. you can. >> they're really cheap. they're like £0.13. >> i think my dinner tonight is jollof rice and some pink wafers. >> just committed a crime . >> just committed a crime. >> just committed a crime. >> yes. >> yes. >> most hated, most hated. >> oh, >> oh, i >> oh, i think >> oh, i think anything >> oh, i think anything with raisins in it, like a raisin chip, a raisin chip cookie. >> mine's digested. tastes like cnspy >> mine's digested. tastes like crispy oats. >> i like that was one of them. >> i like that was one of them. >> oh, no. rich tea's better. >> oh, no. rich tea's better. >> i like it. right. okay. what have you got for us? >> okay, so in news this week, emirati princess. actually, divorced her husband on

instagram. and how she did it, it was nice, short and sweet. she said it three times, i divorce you, i divorce you, i divorce you, i divorce you, i divorce you, i divorce you, i divorce you from your ex wife. now, i would like to know is this empowering? is this now? so to speak, feminism hitting the middle east? or is this downright horrible, heartless, rude and callous ? rude and callous? >> i mean, someone should point out to her that divorce doesn't work like a spell in bedknobs and broomsticks. >> oh, it does in islam. >> oh, it does in islam. >> say what? >> say what? >> just say on instagram three times. >> say it three times, not on instagram. but you. you are probably different here if you are married via the british law. so. but you get in islam, you can say it three times. >> beetlejuice , beetlejuice, >> beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice and then someone disappears. let's not mock. >> it's very serious to some people, but you can divorce by saying it three times. >> can i say i was incredibly impressed by this? i mean , impressed by this? i mean, clearly those parts of the world are economically they're thriving, but still they're they're lagging behind. >> archaic. >> archaic. >> yeah. and so this takes a

real bravery. and hopefully it shows that there's a cultural shift that she felt able. >> would you split up with someone on instagram? >> well i need someone in the first place to end a relationship from lie—in may, so i'll take things one step at a time. >> okay? and all of you, would you? >> soi you? >> so i actually think despite the fact that it seems like he cheated on her and that was why she was so vexed, i still think that that kind of thing should not be done in public. >> maybe i'm old fashioned. >> maybe i'm old fashioned. >> yeah. all right, well, go to benjamin now. >> well, strictly come dancing might not be back for a couple of months, but it's been in crisis. last week, it turned out that the reality tv star zara mcdermott , said that she'd been mcdermott, said that she'd been or is reported. it was claimed that she'd been kicked during training sessions. and then it's also emerged that fern britton, the former this morning presenter, had said that she was kicked and shoved when she was on strictly come dancing. she's described her experience as pretty grim and so the show has decided that you're going to

have to have a chaperone, someone watching rehearsals because they're so worried about these celebrities that have allegedly been kicked and hit in training sessions. now, i don't know if any of you have ever been an athlete or a dancer or something. is this is this just the way they get to be so good? is it sort of a cultural mismatch between people that aren't that remarkable and these professionals? >> yeah, i think in sports and in dance, i used to do dance and, things happen, you know, you might even get dropped, you get shoved, you get pushed. and the same with if you're in the gym, you have bruises, you might sprain something, tear a muscle . sprain something, tear a muscle. this is the way of things, i think it's a bit, you know, do do we do you want them to wrap you in cotton wool? that's what it sounds like these celebs are saying. >> yeah. so i think there's a bit of snowflakey going on here. and i'd just like to say i'll happily do it. i won't need a chaperone. you can bully me. >> well, you kick me all the time. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> but i think there's a difference between being pushed hard and trained hard. and i

have been a gymnast and, you know, an athlete. i don't think people should be kicked and hit. i think that's obviously ridiculous. >> but i think they're going into it with the wrong expectations. >> these are professional dancers who have probably, you know, worked much, much harder at their sport than anyone could possibly imagine. they don't want to lose this competition. it's a big deal for them. and i think the celebrities are thinking they're going to go in and have a little why not just kick them back? >> yeah, that's what i would do. >> yeah, that's what i would do. >> it's an accident if a dancer kicked me and i was lucky enough to be on strictly, i would kick them back. >> it's an accident. i wouldn't do it again. >> they don't do it purposely, i just surely i mean, i mean, i really don't think you should kick people, but look, it's the big 20th anniversary year of strictly, so this is a crisis for the bbc. >> yes, it is indeed. still ahead. we answer all of your

welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank

you for all of your emails and messages about tonight's topics. so, speaking of which, it's time for this. graphics. right. let's see what you've got for us this week. this is in from rosa. and rosa very earnestly asks, do jews have a future in the united kingdom? benjamin? >> oh gosh . well, i mean, i >> oh gosh. well, i mean, i think a lot of jewish people in this country, between corbyn and the aftermath of 7th of october attacks, have felt pretty insecure. and i think that shames our country. but, you know , most the biggest share of know, most the biggest share of jews voted for labour at the last election. and i think that shows that these things can be healed. but we shouldn't we shouldn't, you know, let let this racism creep in by the back door because anti—semitism is such a racism that people don't even realise it's happening, and that's why it's so dangerous. >> so i think that back door is well and truly open. and i think jews in this country feel very threatened. and i think the

current labour government is part of the problem. but i also think the number of votes that went to anti—jewish candidates in the election is also worrying. yeah. >> all right . worrying. yeah. >> all right. this worrying. yeah. >> all right . this is in from >> all right. this is in from jeff. and jeff says, hi, benjamin saw on twitter that your piano got stuck . that's not your piano got stuck. that's not a euphemism. he does actually have a piano . how a euphemism. he does actually have a piano. how did you a euphemism. he does actually have a piano . how did you solve have a piano. how did you solve this? and will you play a tune for us next week? >> can you play the piano? >> can you play the piano? >> you see, i can't actually play >> you see, i can't actually play the piano. i call it a chelsea shelf because i just put nice things on top of it. i think a piano really makes a home. but no, the piano is still stuck in the house that i no longer live in, and i've had to pay a longer live in, and i've had to pay a lot of money for a specialist that knows how to sort of manoeuvre a piano and take bits off it. so yeah, i learned the hard way. >> you do know that you can get pianos free now. people give them away. >> indeed. >> indeed. >> just got a new one. >> just got a new one. >> that's how i got the piano, i got it. >> why don't you just leave that one there and get a new one? >> because i think the people that are living in that house now don't want a piano. they

didn't want a free piano. it was me that wanted a free. >> hard to shift as well. once you've got one, they're happy. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> okay. next up is this one from kenneth. he says hi darren. oh, dear. it's always a perilous start. do you think your newcastle manager, eddie howe, is the right to man take charge of england following the resignation of england manager gareth southgate? well i would do you know, i thought about this long and hard actually, and i would be very upset to lose eddie howe because i think he's been a sterling steward of newcastle united. but i think i'm willing to sacrifice for my club. i have no idea the betterment are for england and i think he would be absolutely phenomenal at england. so i with a sorry heart, i'd, i'd allow him to go. if he asked me, i'd go for klopp. klopp oh no, i cannot have those humongous teeth gnashing away at the england club, benjamin butterworth. what, what? >> oh, you're not asking me about that. i mean, eddie howe. >> england. >> england. >> more like eddie who? i don't know who that is.

>> well, it could be doctor who. at this rate, i'll be. >> i just want the best person for the job. and i was outraged to see something earlier on this week that they were going to be looking at diverse candidates. i don't want diverse candidates. i want silverware, but isn't it the women's manager led them to win the euros, so surely that's not a bad idea to have her best for the job? not because she's a woman. >> teachers asked if you had to cut one of the panellists out of your life for the next five years, who would you pick? titch i'm not asking them that question because i know what the answer would be, and it was good to know you any favours, right? all right. thank you to our brilliant guests tonight, doctor renee. and of course, lynn. may i love that rhyming. thank you to our lovely viewers as well. roy is a huge fan of the show and said these five are absolutely pathetic. why do they get any airtime? we'd love to see all five on the front line of any war. they would run a mile cheering next up it's the brilliant neil curse. we'll see you next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

>> hello. good evening and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, it's been quite an unsettled start to the weekend, but through sunday is generally an improving picture and it's going to be feeling a little bit fresher too. the reason for this unsettled start, though, is that we have this waving frontal feature across the western half of the uk, and that's moving its way north eastwards towards the country, and that's where we're still going to see some heavy outbreaks into this evening. but for most it is generally quite an improving picture. still staying fairly cloudy with the odd spot of rain and drizzle, but clearing across western parts of scotland and northern ireland. even though a few showers still feeding into western areas. but under those clearer spells, that's where it's going to be feeling cooler. but for most, it's going to be quite a muggy start to sunday, so there are still some heavier downpours expected. these mainly in the far north—east of the country, but elsewhere across scotland. quite a bright start to sunday. just a few showers feeding into the west and similar across northern ireland.

still a few showers feeding into west and coastal areas but plenty of bright sunshine to start the day a bit more cloud around across the south and southeast and that might just squeeze out a little bit. rain and drizzle at times, but it is generally improving as the morning goes on, so starting to see some sunny spells break through that cloud and leaving a largely dry sunday for most. a bit of a different story though, across northern ireland, as we see this next area of rain push into western areas. so quite a damp afternoon here, but elsewhere plenty of sunny spells, just a few showers feeding into western parts of scotland. slightly cooler temperatures compared to today so feeling a little bit fresher. but where you catch the sunshine it will still be feeling pleasant and warm to start the new working week. still plenty of cloud around and still some rain in the north. it could be heavy at times and is generally going to be quite a cloudy day and feeling quite humid, and we could see some showers by the afternoon , which could be heavy afternoon, which could be heavy and slow moving across scotland. so perhaps some heavy and persistent downpours here. a changeable weekend ahead. but that's it from me. goodbye for

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>> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom. donald trump thanked the thousands of people who have gathered for. what's his first rally in public since the gunman shot him in the ear last week in an attempted assassination attempt in pennsylvania. trump appeared alongside jd vance for the campaign rally, the pair's first joint appearance since the ohio senator was unveiled as trump's running mate at the republican national convention in milwaukee. it takes place in a crucial swing state that trump won in 2016, and biden clawed back in the 2020 presidential election. ahead of the event today, jd vance posted on x

saying that biden should resign from the white house and despite almost losing his life a week ago, trump showed a fighting spirit. >> what a day it was. as i said earlier this week, i stand before you only by the grace of almighty god. that's true . it almighty god. that's true. it shouldn't be here. we've never been so determined. bad things happened last time. we're not going to let them happen this time. bad, bad things happen. we will never stop working to deliver a magnificent future for our people. and together we will fight. fight fight. right >> in other news, the man has been charged with violent disorder and arson after a bus was set on fire during rioting in harehills in leeds on thursday evening. 37 year old houston dober has been remanded to appear at leeds magistrates court on monday. earlier today, officers also said they arrested a further five people on suspicion of violent disorder and they remain in police

custody. four people who were initially arrested in connection with the violent disorder have been bailed pending further investigation . on thursday, investigation. on thursday, vehicles could be seen on fire while a police car was overturned. the riots are believed to be linked to a case involving local children who were taken into care . were taken into care. yesterday's it outage affected almost 8.5 million microsoft devices , according to the tech devices, according to the tech giant. the company added the figure represents less than 1% of all windows machines, but it was enough to spark chaos at many of the world's airports. flight delays are still persisting as airlines and other businesses slowly get back onune businesses slowly get back online in time for the summer holidays. banks supermarkets and even major television and radio broadcasters were among the many others who were also knocked off line yesterday. nhs england is expecting disruption to gp services to continue into next week , and a second world war week, and a second world war veteran has finally received his

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